When Equality is not Acceptable, by Dr. Al Stefanelli, PhD

“If a believer demands that I, as a non believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect, but for my submission.” – Flemming Rose

You know what makes me laugh? When religious people talk about their biblical gobbledygook as if it were somehow real, and then look me straight in the eye and expect me to give their fairy tales the same credence that I reserve for facts. They actually believe that presenting bronze-aged myths as a valid argument against the collective of human scientific intelligence is scientifically acceptable. I find that hilarious.

Take Creationism. Please. The comparison of something as inane, childish and immature as Creationism actually being compared as a viable alternative to Evolution is indicative of a mind that has tumbled far, far down into the rabbit hole of ignorance. Somewhere during the process of intellectual development there was a disconnect in the believer’s ability to discern fantasy from reality and the outlandish, scientifically impossible, physically unrealistic, historically erroneous, intellectually retarded drabble that is contained within the pages of the bible became not only viable, but a more accurate representation of the truth than, well, the actual truth.

Allow Me To Apologize…

Creationism, as with most of the dogma and doctrine of Christianity, contains nothing deserving of equal footing with reality. It is a complete, total and unequivocal myth. It didn’t happen. The possibility of the creation story being even remotely true is not even worth considering. It is, for lack of a better word, bullshit. Not “maybe” bullshit, but just bullshit. It is just not true.

But still, many of the religious go to great lengths to convince as many unsuspecting victims as they can that the earth is six thousand years old, that all life was created in six literal twenty-four hour days, that death and decay came as a result of Adam & Eve’s fall, and that geology must be interpreted in terms of Noah’s Flood.

They want everyone to believe that a relatively unknown and usually confused Hebrew storm god created the Earth and the entire universe in all its majesty just for us little ol’ humans to use and abuse. That we descended not from a common ancestral ape, but from a dirt man who was “married” to a rib-woman that was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

The method they use to do this is known in religious circles as “Apologetics.” The religious like to think apologetics is based on research, but even your average high-school student understands what real research is, and apologetics is not it. It’s advanced circular logic that starts out with a result and works backward through the bible, using it as a dictionary in an attempt to justify an ass-backward claim that is based on an ancient superstition which still survives due to the stubborn and blind acceptance of severely outdated and disproved information.

Basically, the field of apologetics is an entire discipline built around the concept of getting people to believe the biggest bullshit stories to ever come across the pike.  And the harder they try to make sense out of their beliefs, the more ridiculous they sound, because something that is thoroughly explainable by science, such as Evolution, cannot even be considered by the apologist – even if it makes perfect sense. They desperately grasp at the most ridiculous explanations for aspects of our existence because they must sate their cognitive dissonance without compromising their beliefs.

See No Evil, Hear No Evil…

The religious would rather believe the most outlandish, childish and utterly impossible dogma over the simple, testable and provable, empirical data offered up by our brightest scientific minds as long as means that they can include god and their Scriptures as part of their stories. Going through life with one hand covering your eyes, the other one over your ears while blurting out “la la la I can’t hear you,” is no way to go through life, but yet this is what they are essentially doing as they continue their quest to validate the idiocy of their beliefs. The rapid rate of scientific discovery is only paced by the increases in the already overburdened collective juvenile imagination known as systematic theology. The more science discovers, the more the religious have to fight against irrelevance, and thus, the more outlandish their stories become.

No matter how hard even the most dedicated theologian may try, the extraordinary beliefs held by the religious cannot be validated, and the very existence of their gods, angels, demons, miracles, etc., cannot be proven.  Christianity has even failed to prove the historicity of its central character, Jesus Christ, nor the existence of his ragtag band of followers that we know as “Apostles.” It’s not like they haven’t had enough time. Yet, they have the audacity to try to school the intellectual and academic world in matters of history, science, cosmology, biology, archaeology, etc., etc.? Really? Seriously? Pretty ballsy if you ask me.

Teaching Calculus To A Toaster…

So, it is not a big secret that I don’t debate Creationists. Of course, this leads many of them to think I cannot hold my own or that I am somehow afraid of losing. But if you’ve been reading me for any length of time you realize this is not the case. Do you want to know why I don’t debate Creationists? I’ll tell you. It’s for the same reason I don’t debate a seven-year-old about a fat old man who lives at the North Pole, hangs out with crafty elves and flies around in a huge sleigh that is powered by magic reindeer and is equipped with a device that can freeze time. For the same reason I don’t debate a six-year-old about a fluffy rabbit that delivers intricately painted eggs by virtue of some sort of cosmic inner global positioning system.  For the same reason I don’t debate a five-year-old about a magical being who appears in their bedroom in the middle of the night and buys their teeth for a quarter. For the same reason I don’t try to cast magic spells on a bag of charcoal in hopes that it will turn to gold. Get my drift?

It is almost scandalous that the creation myth survives in this day and age. Even more preposterous is its acceptance as irrefutable fact by those in positions of authority on school boards. That it is believed by sitting United States Senators and Congressmen. That it is believed by all the current GOP Presidential candidates. That there is a very real and concerted effort to have creationism replace real science in our public schools. It saddens me that there are so many people who really believe in creationism, as well as all the other batshittery that is packed into the bible that has no place on the same dais as scientific or historical fact.

There is no equality between fact and fiction, and anyone who purports themselves to be an academic and still puts religious dogma up as an ante doesn’t deserve the right to be called anything other than an ignoramus. When the clergy with their “advanced degree” in Theology or Divinity (and maybe even a book out) begin to expound their sermons from their lofty pulpits, you can almost see all sense of reality draining away from the congregation and a semi-zombie glaze appear over their eyes. Sometimes you can even hear them chanting, “Why, yes, destroy my brain and render me intellectually inert for the rest of my life with your vast knowledge of all things God. Please. Hurry.

That’s DOCTOR Reverend to you…

You might have noticed that my headline today includes a reference to “Dr. Al Stefanelli, PhD.” So, since we’ve just discussed the hijacking of human intelligence by religious dogma, let’s talk a little bit about post-graduate degrees in Theology or Divinity. They are a joke, and not even a funny one. They are meaningless in the real world. Putting a religious diploma up against a real college degree is like putting on equal footing a real birth certificate and the one that comes with a Cabbage Patch doll.

The PhD is also known as the “Doctorate,” and those holding this degree often refer to themselves as “Doctor.” A PhD represents the ultimate of learning, and the world of the PhD is filled with peer reviews and professional scrutiny. A holder of a PhD who makes unfounded or preposterous proclamations or acts irresponsibly in their research will generally be called out by other PhD’s. Failure to reel oneself in could cause a risk of the offending Doctor being chided completely out of relevance by their peers. Additionally, academia maintains a short list of fields of study that one can earn a PhD in. This is to avoid people getting PhD’s in Batshittery, which brings me to…

Paging Dr. Batshit…

With few exceptions, most of the “institutions of learning” that offer advanced degrees in Theology or Divinity are not even recognized by normal, accredited universities. They are largely laughing stocks of the academic world. But they have figured out how to make obscene amounts of money by gratifying the pompous egos of the arrogant clergy who bask in the glory given them by the deluded masses who believe that they are in the presence of an “expert” on all things god-related. Yes, the Doctor of Theology commands the respect of those under his holy tutelage, but the only problem is that the rest of the academic world, for the most part, couldn’t give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut about these degrees.

Any diploma issued in the fields of Theology or Divinity isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, especially the PhD. Someone who holds a doctorate in Theology or Divinity won’t be given the time of day by a real academic. They are posers. Fakes. Academic frauds. The academic community won’t even give them the time of the day. In fact, the only people who will ever confront them about their “education” are other holders of these bogus doctorates, and then only about doctrinal differences. I find this humorous, because Christianity is already fractured into thousands of different denominations, sects and cults, and many of them have their own schools that offer their own bogus doctorates based on their particular brand of bullshit. This, of course, makes for a lot of arguing about which Doctor is right and which one is going to be roasting in hell because as long as you believe in god, according to someone else you will be going to hell. Doctorate or not.

Two Can Play This Game…

The only thing a doctorate in Theology or Divinity proves is that you’ve wasted an extreme amount of time learning about something that doesn’t exist by studying a book that is filled with inaccuracies, interpolations, errors and outright lies that was written by bronze-aged men who had no clue where thunder and lighting came from, thought the earth was flat and believed that holding a white and black striped stick in front of a pregnant sheep would result in a black and white kid. Believing a lie is one thing. Spending upward of twelve years studying that lie is just plain sad.

So, here’s my plan. Next time I am called to debate a Theologian who possesses a PhD in Theology or Divinity, I am going to insist that I get billed as Dr. Al Stefanelli. You see, I was given a PhD in Heresy by my friend Richard McCargar, the Dean over at Logidea University, which I proudly display in my study. I feel that my PhD holds more weight than a PhD in Theology or Divinity because I have decades of training as a heretic, and my thesis (in the form of my book) is 290 pages of pure, heretical polemic that has been peer-reviewed by other heretics and found to be worthy. I would expect the same respect and recognition that the holder of the PhD in Theology or Divinity commands, and if they wish me to address them as “Doctor,” then they will be expected to address me as such.

And In The End…

I am sure I will receive the usual dosage of cacophonous hate mail from the religious. They will whine about how I have no right to insult them or to diminish their own religious education or the religious education of their blessed and holy representatives of God, blah, blah, blah. This will inevitably be followed by claims that I cannot prove there is no God, or that said God did not create the universe just as it’s written in the bible. That juvenile response is expected, as for the most part, the stupidity of a request to prove a negative is just another piece of reality that eludes the religious.

What they fail to understand is how much of an insult it is to the collective of human intelligence to be expected to believe in their lore, myths and fairy tales. They cannot comprehend how insulting it is to the real members of academia who toiled through many, many years of education to earn their PhD’s, only to have their work mocked by an intellectual infant with a diploma from a glorified Sunday school that reads most ridiculously, “Doctor.”

  49 comments for “When Equality is not Acceptable, by Dr. Al Stefanelli, PhD

  1. heddle
    January 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    You know what makes me laugh? When religious people talk about their biblical gobbledygook as if it were somehow real, and then look me straight in the eye and expect me to give their fairy tales the same credence that I reserve for facts. They actually believe that presenting bronze-aged myths as a valid argument against the collective of human scientific intelligence is scientifically acceptable. I find that hilarious.

    Well, what I find hilarious is when certain atheists, wallowing in their delusions of grandeur, actually think we care whether they believe us or respect us. You really should understand that to first order you are not on our radar. We don’t care if you believe what we believe. We don’t care if you mock us. (But if you do, do try to be clever–it’s so rare.) We, to first order, simply don’t think about or talk about you at all. Yet you act as if we are preoccupied about receiving your “respect”. We don’t give a rat’s ass about your respect.

    • Happiestsadist
      January 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm

      The existence of apologetics as a field, and for that matter, your insistent, querulous and pointless presence here shows us exactly how much you care.

      It’s okay, maybe you’ll feel better after a nap with your blankie.

    • Pi Guy
      January 16, 2012 at 10:41 am

      @heddle #1:

      You really should understand that to first order you are not on our radar.

      Reeeeally?? For someone who “doesn’t give a rat’s ass”, you sure spend a lot of time on these sorts of forums, um, not caring.

      In fact, one might surmise that you really don’t care a whole lot.

  2. Brandon
    January 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Heddle, if we are of little concern to you, then how did you come across this article, why did you take the time to read it, and why did you put forth the effort to reply.

    If it means nothing, if the rants of atheists mean nothing, then you would have done nothing other than ignored this and moved on with your narrow life.

  3. Goblinman
    January 13, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Yes, heddle, we know. The ability of believers to ignore things that might inconvenience their beliefs is rather a running theme. That’s why theology exists in the first place.

  4. heddle
    January 13, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Brandon,

    Because I am an outlier. Duh.

    • piero
      January 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm

      Outright liar?

  5. Mr.Kosta
    January 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    [blockquote]Because I am [strike]an outlier[/strike] a troll. Duh.[/blockquote]

    Fixed it for you, mate.

  6. Mr.Kosta
    January 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Hmmmm what’s wrong with the tags? Nevermind.

  7. rapiddominance
    January 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Why did heddle have to have the first comment?

    It was like watching this big, beautiful, shiney train with a rinky-dink, rusted kaboos on the end.

    The post was a bit long for a Friday night. But I was kinda enjoying sitting here, parked and waiting. Well, that’s the cool thing. I wasn’t really waiting on the train to pass. Now that I think about it, I think I was just watching.

    And then there was heddle.

  8. Randomfactor
    January 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    “Apologetics” is the field of study concerning which logical fallacies may best be employed to prop up a given faulty argument.

  9. jes
    January 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Minor correction: penultimate means “NEXT to last”, not last. I don’t think you meant that. Otherwise, great post.

    • Al Stefanelli
      January 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm

      Well, damn.. So it does.. Heading off to correct that. Thanks, Jes!

  10. lordshipmayhem
    January 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Hmmmm what’s wrong with the tags? Nevermind.

    Wrong kind of brackets. Should be the pointy kind rather than the square kind.

  11. rapiddominance
    January 13, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    @Outlier

    OK, so you’re not the norm. Fair enough.

    So why do you show up here? Are you on a rescue mission?
    Perhaps you’re a diplomat.

    Whatever your reasons, you do realize that you did exactly what you were supposed to do, right?

    Think about it.

    If someone were to ask you what the author’s intent was, what would you say? (Al’s not a Random Word Generator).

    I’m waiting for a response.

  12. jj7212
    January 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Don’t nobody get side tracked by trolls… It’s beyond comprehension why state governments are still entertaining the idea of creationism in schools. It’s 2012! Wasn’t the creationism debate settled years ago in other court cases from other school districts? Remember Dover? Currently the xtards are pushing this crap again in Missouri and Florida. I can’t see why some people will continue to spend taxpayer money on fighting/defending this issue when all they have to do is review the circus content of the previous debates. Mr. Stefanelli wrote another great article, but it’s sad that he still feels the need for it… Knowlege is power. The knowlege is spreading fast, but apparently the creationists still have the wrong kind of knowledge.

    Another question, Mr. Stefanelli… Outside of using the internet to fight against creationists trying to infultrate our public education system, what else can we do physically? Were can we go to voice our arguments face to face with these people outside of their churches? Any civilized suggestions? Heck, let’s have everyone share their ideas!

    • Al Stefanelli
      January 14, 2012 at 11:26 am

      Go to meetings, JJ. School board meetings are good place to voice your opinions. Education by passing out information about evolution to school students. Just talk to people.

  13. Greisha
    January 14, 2012 at 1:30 am

    First I think Jon Huntsman supports evolution.

    Second, are you sure about Doctorate in Heresy? I always thought heresy was unauthorized variation of religion beliefs – not rejection. Doctorate in Atheism seems to be more appropriate.

    • Al Stefanelli
      January 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

      Actually, it’s called a “Doctor of Disbelief”

    • Kevin
      January 19, 2012 at 5:05 pm

      Huntsman isn’t in the race anymore. You could look it up.

      As of 1-19-12 at 5 pm EDT, you have:

      Mittens
      Sanctimonious
      Newt
      Paul

  14. Aquaria
    January 14, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Articles like this are like a mating call for that pitiful species known as Religitardus pompositius that heddle is part of.

    He can’t resist, the poor thing. That’s why he gloms onto articles only about things that point out how some christslime is idiotic. It’s genetic for his knickers to get in a twist over it. Obsessively.

    In fact, it seems to be the only thing the dunce cares about. He doesn’t comment on anything else. He has no views about anything else. No interest in reducing the bigotry against atheists–nay, he wants to make that worse.

    heddle, you’re an obsessive, one-note hateful scumbag who has become tedious.

    Fuck off.

  15. rickschauer
    January 14, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Absolutely amazing article but in some cases you simply understate. For example,

    It is almost scandalous that the creation myth survives in this day and age.

    Ahhh, it’s way more than scandalous…it’s fraud, a major education fail and a national security threat on many levels.

    Then, smashing bashing on Letters of theology degrees – an accurate outting of the fraud…simply brilliant!

  16. heddle
    January 14, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Aquaria,

    Yes I should follow the Aquaria model of perfected white-trash bigotry: posting mindless insults devoid of any redeeming qualities such as substance, analysis or wit, and post them on any and every subject. And, for good measure, sprinkle my posts on subjects that I know nothing about with claims, as is your wont, of having met this or that famous person.

    Alas, I am not of the right stuff. I am a Christian and a scientist. So from congenital and grave feelings of inferiority, I limit my comments to those two topics. Mea Culpa.

  17. Inmarin
    January 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Al, a simply brilliant essay! What would any of us give to be able to have the national “Bully pulpit” a say verbatim what you wrote. I have to wonder how many bronze-age people could be pried out of their stone age beliefs with the truths you write!

    I am reminded of the great, Pat Condell’s (anyone who hasn’t seen his long list of video-rants against religion must go over to You Tube) observation on advanced degrees in Theology.

    To wit: “What’s the difference between a doctor of medicine and a doctor of theology? One prescribes drugs, the other may as well be on drugs.”

  18. January 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Heddle.

    Aquaria may have a potty mouth, but if that offends your delicate sensibilities, just think of her as asking you to take a sexual departure.

    And as to the “respect” think might I refer you to the respect Jessica Alquhist is receiving right now.

    We are perfectly content for you to wallow in your own foolishness provided you keep the nonsense to yourself, but it’s when you try to affect healthcare provisions, notably for women, try to have nonsense taught in schools, or try to influence policy to try to bring back the messiah.

    When you’ve finished demanding special privileges, such as the right not to be criticised, could the rest of us have our planet back please?

  19. michaelpowers
    January 14, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    I made the mistake of debating with creationists early on. Almost immediately a pattern emerged. It usually goes something like this:

    I’ll state my position, using logic, reason, citing examples, etc. Then they will attempt the same. I’ll prove them wrong using the tools I mentioned. This will go on until whatever well of logic they have runs dry. At this point, they become frustrated, the CAPS LOCK KEY gets turned on, and a (sometimes creative, mostly not) stream of vulgarity ensues.

    This usually ends with their request that I kill myself.

    OK, sure. I’ll get right on that.

  20. heddle
    January 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    andrewbrown

    Aquaria may have a potty mouth, but if that offends your delicate sensibilities, just think of her as asking you to take a sexual departure.

    Straw man. I have never once complained about her swearing. But sure, be the tenth or fifteenth dimwit to try the “delicate sensibilities” line. You are are nothing if not unoriginal. The complaint is not that she swears (I swear) but that she never says anything of substance, and she is a bigot.

    When you’ve finished demanding special privileges, such as the right not to be criticised, could the rest of us have our planet back please?

    I defy you to find one instance on the internet where I have demanded any special privilege. I defy you to show where I have requested the right not to be criticized. (For crying out loud I have repeatedly stated: criticize away, to your heart’s content. But for Pete’s sake be clever about it, not boring (too late for you.))

    If you can’t, then having claimed such, but incapable of providing evidence, you have proved yourself a liar.

  21. January 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I notice you didn’t address Aquaria’s point about reducing or criticising anti atheist bigotry. The point wasn’t that you were acting offended, but that you were using the swearing to dismiss the substance. It’s

    And i haven’t seen bigotry from her, just strongly worded criticism of untenable positions, or the use of them to justify bigotry.

    I also note you personalised the criticism, and ignoring the Jessica Alquhist issue proves Aquaria’s point. It wasn’t an attack on you personally, but on the subconscious privilege you just demonstrated afforded you by your belief system.

  22. rapiddominance
    January 14, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Aquaria

    It almost seems like heddle was SUPPPOSED to do that, doesn’t it? Or at least somebody was supposed to.

    What does that little tag say? “Yep! I’m laughing at you!”

    From the very moment heddle challenged this post, he lost. Al called out for a dance partner and the poor kid couldn’t help but accept the offer.

    Now here we are with this “live” example, right in front of us, reinforcing essentially every message Al delivers on his blog.

    What did you call this article? “a mating call for a pitiful species”? That was actually a pretty close assessment.

  23. heddle
    January 14, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    andrewbrown

    The point wasn’t that you were acting offended, but that you were using the swearing to dismiss the substance

    No, once again I said nothing about the swearing. You can claim a hundred more times that I care about her swearing, but I don’t, and you have no evidence to support your assertion. You just want me to be upset by her swearing, to have “delicate sensibilities.” It serves a purpose for you. It makes things sensible and they fit into nice pigeon holes.

    As for Jessica Alquhist, that was only a convenient vehicle for making a simple, unfounded assertion:

    No interest in reducing the bigotry against atheists–nay, he wants to make that worse.

    This is demonstrably false, as I have numerous posts on my blog lambasting for Christians for acting badly and especially American Christians for their ridiculous persecution complex. My most recent post, in fact, pertains to Jessica Alquhist. Aquaria does not care what I write–she is a garden variety anti-Christian bigot. David Duke:Blacks/Jews::Aquaria:Christians. And try to get this through your head: it has nothing to do with her swearing.

    It wasn’t an attack on you personally, but on the subconscious privilege you just demonstrated afforded you by your belief system.

    In other words, you got nothing. Just woo about “subconscious privilege.” Your evidence that I demand special privilege is found only in my subconscious. Can I get a crystal to help me combat that?

  24. rapiddominance
    January 14, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    John 54:3-8

    And some of the apostles said unto him, “Lord, you heard what she said! You’re not going to just let her walk away, are you?

    Jesus wept. Peter winced. The Pharisees smirked. Thomas doubted even more.

    After maybe 20 minutes of drawing pictures in the sand, he stood up, faced the 500,000 in attendence at the fish fry and spoke unto them,

    “Aquaria does not care what I write–she is a garden variety anti-Christian bigot.”

    And so Judas thought, “What the hell? . . .”

  25. flyonthewall
    January 14, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Oh, I am so jealous.
    I want a Doctorate in Heresy.

  26. January 15, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Heddle, to address your original point, there’s no doubt that Christians in general want atheists to believe them. Otherwise, why do I still find Chick Tracts lying about, why do Christians always come up to me when they find out I don’t believe in any gods and give me Pascal’s Wager, and why do apologetics even exist if Christians don’t care if others don’t believe them? Isn’t conversion or “witnessing” a core part of Christian doctrine? To that end, they do try to put on at least the facade of respectability, though certainly I think they recognize that atheists who are atheists for the right reasons won’t buy it, but it’s certainly a good way to shore up belief of a casual Christian. However, that’s pointed out in the blog post, and the fact that every other legitimate field of study that deals in doctorates finds Theology and Divinity degrees’ standards laughable is a good indication that those standards are, in fact, not worthy of a great deal of respect.

  27. Tony
    January 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    michaelbrew:

    Heddle, to address your original point, there’s no doubt that Christians in general want atheists to believe them.

    -Not just atheists. They want *everyone* to believe them. I’ve been in the service industry for 20 years and I’ve gotten more than my fair share of pocket bibles with the tip. I live in Pensacola, Florida and on warm weekends, we get those annoying proselytizers on street corners spouting scripture. Those public officials trying to push creationism in schools do the same thing (as if kids don’t get enough religious indoctrination in church). By and large, a great many christians *do* want others to believe their book of lies. Spreading the “gospel” is part and parcel of that silly belief system.

    • heddle
      January 15, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      Of course we want people to believe, or perhaps we at least acknowledge that we are called to spread the gospel and so we do as commanded.

      When I say we don’t care about atheists what I mean is:

      Contrary to your delusions of grandeur we are not afraid of you or consider you a threat.

      Contrary to your delusions of grandeur we don’t dwell on you as as some sort of group arrayed against us.

      Contrary to your myth we don’t hate you.

      Contrary to your myth we don’t think you are miserable and rudderless.

      Contrary to your myth we don’t think you are immoral hedonists.

      You could go to my church’s website and play sermon after sermon after sermon. You’ll hear no mention of atheists.

      • JJ7212
        January 15, 2012 at 8:10 pm

        Heddle, what is it that you want? You’re a christian on an atheist website. Obviously we don’t respect your beliefs for legitimate reasons, and you might not respect ours for whatever reason, but I think if you just here to proselytize, you’re gonna get intellectually slammed. We know what you know and you know what we know. If you want to exchange ideas, great! But, man, you gotta be really cool and polite and set a good tone whenever you first comment on any atheist website. Tact will keep the wolves here at bay. Nobody cares about ‘feelings’ and ‘being offended’ so stop being whiny and apologetic. Do yo have any legitimate questions or concerns because we’re not interested in converting to superstitious dogma today. Thanks, but no thanks. I read christian blogs, rarely do I post, but when I do, my level of politeness and sincerity of questions usually get me sincere and polite responses. I don’t like church, but I’m not gonna walk into a church and start stirring things up, ya know? It’s their house.

        • heddle
          January 16, 2012 at 5:08 am

          JJ7212

          but I think if you just here to proselytize, you’re gonna get intellectually slammed.

          I am not here to proselytize (have I done that?) I am here because I enjoy engaging with people. As for me getting intellectually slammed, when will that start? Is bybleknaps intellectual tour de force:

          Fuck you, asshole. Fuck you a lot. You may be a scientist, but you are a dumb ass motherfucking asshole. Go worship your asshole god and his asshole torture/death fetish and leave us the fuck alone.

          what you are talking about?

          If not, bring it on. I’m willing to take a chance at being intellectually slammed.

          As for coming to this site, if the host ever asks me to stay away, I will.

          • jj7212
            January 16, 2012 at 8:12 am

            I’m sure Mr. Stefanelli would love to have you stay! I would too! You’re a great example of the average christian. Hopefully other christians who read this blog, but don’t post, will read your posts and reflect on their own stupidity and intellectual shame. Mr. Stefanelli’s articles are very professionaly written, but are the same arguments that have always existed against the ignorance of religion. His endurance against your position is worthy of admiration. His integrity and moral courage has led him to do more than intellectualy slam you through conversation. The fact that you don’t realize it is where you show your ignorance. Next question…

          • bybelknap
            January 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm

            Typical heddle; ignore anything salient and just point at the part where you get – justifiably – called an asshole for ignoring anything salient. You’re a loop of loser.

  28. bybelknap
    January 16, 2012 at 1:20 am

    @ heddle,
    so, does your church represent the 3000 plus various Christian sects out there? Because there are fucktons of Christians who piss and moan and whine and bitch and piss some more about the evil secularists who are ruining everything for the poor persecuted Christian majority. You can choose not to be a part of that, which is fine, but when you use the royal “we” – “Contrary to your delusions of grandeur we don’t dwell on you as as some sort of group arrayed against us.”

    And the Pope – who (yes, I know many Protestant denominations deny Catholicism is “Christian.” They just worship Jesus fucking Christ as their goddam lord and savior so they can’t possibly be Christians, can they?) claims that atheists are destroying the world.
    And Newton Asshole Gingrich says that secularists are destroying Amerikkka – Newt says that he is a Christian. Are you going to say he isn’t?

    Every fucking Republican candidate claims that they are the most christain fucking christian on the goddam planet and they hate atheists to death forever. They throw abuse against atheists to their constituents like Michael Vick threw kittens to his pit bulls and you have the balls to say that atheists have delusions of grandeur about how much a significant segment of self identified christians absofuckingloutly hate atheists?

    Fuck you, asshole. Fuck you a lot. You may be a scientist, but you are a dumb ass motherfucking asshole. Go worship your asshole god and his asshole torture/death fetish and leave us the fuck alone.

    • Sandman
      January 16, 2012 at 4:13 am

      re: GOP candidates and their overt religiosity. In particular those two shining examples of good Catholic warriors for Rome Santorum and Newt.

      See further my article on Uncle Al’s guest blog at http://alstefanelli.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/holier-than-thou/

      Belief in any form of (Old Testament) Biblical Literalism, Creationism/ID etc is, under the Roman Catholic canon law principle of Magisterium, a heresy,as are the other examples of “morality” matters I flag in that post.

      Have a laugh….I did writing it.

      • bybelknap
        January 16, 2012 at 12:35 pm

        Good stuff, Sandman. You are a better Catholic than Santorum! I’m from PA and have had to suffer that man’s insufferable ass-holery for too long. The Heretic!

  29. Sandman
    January 16, 2012 at 4:37 am

    Id like to pck up on a couple of Uncle Al’s points here and re-inforce them:

    Re School Boards. Im sorry that I come from a socialist hellhole like the UK, and so have some whacked out ideas, but do you really not see how stupid it is to have “democratsed” education systems rather than a national curricula system “dictated” by the central government? These boards are apparently almost exclusvely staffed by any old goofball and religious nut that puts themselves forward, no matter how unqualified they are for the job. The insanity reaches peak levels in places like Texas where the state school board allows people who home school their kids to decide what gets taught in public schools.

    When your car breaks down you take it to a qualified mechanic. When you are ill you go see a qualified doctor. So who do you let decide what your kids learn and how the school is run? Don The Dentist and Joe The Plumber, or a qualified board of professional education experts? Duuuuuurrr. Or maybe you just like board after board after board pissng money up the wall on stupdity like the Kitzmiller and Alquhist cases.

    Another alternative of course is to pass a law making members of school boards personally responsible for the court costs of any case that results from their obviously bad decisions. That would stop creationists and god botherers dead in their tracks.

    And before you start slinging mud Heddle…I come from a country that has just successfully banned all forms of Creationist teaching in schools, as well as Biblical/Koranic Literalist forms of history teaching.

    Which brings me on to – Literalism.

    This “king pole” of US Chrstanity is what you must tackle head on wherever it raises its ugly anti-intellectual head. It is a particularly US based creed, although through evangy churches it is now spreading to the UK, although there it is still as popular as a dose of clap.

    Read your local paper and I guarantee in one month you will see at least one op ed or letter that maintains this shabby stupid and patently false position. It is your duty as people of reason to combat it head on and in the most strident way.

    Listen to Uncle Al, get active, and tear down the king pole now….otherwise you will carry on loosing ground to the theocrats.

    And finally….re holier than thou candidates in elections. The answer is simple…..dont vote for them, get organised as Al posted in an earlier post, and run your own secular candidiates who dont wear ther faith as an asshat.

    Take off those velvet gloves my friends, and put on the brass knuckles. For way too long we reasoned folks have been rolled up in a ball on the floor having the cack kicked out of us. Its time to stand up and fight back.

    As Militades said to his troops at the Battle of Marathon, where a small force of Athenians faced down the might of Persia:

    AT THEM!!!!!!!

  30. January 16, 2012 at 9:11 am

    His integrity and moral courage has led him to do more than intellectualy slam you through conversation. The fact that you don’t realize it is where you show your ignorance.

    Brilliant! The old I won’t bother to point out where, but you have been utterly defeated, you’re just too dumb to realize it gambit. Always a winning argument. Arugemento ad Declare Victory. I have no response. I consider myself intellectually slammed. Uncle.

    • bybelknap
      January 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm

      You simply ignore anything of relevance and cherry-pick the elements to which you care to respond. Like a Good Christian. That’s the easy way to fail to see when you’ve lost.

    • JJ7212
      January 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm

      My bad, heddle. I was assuming that you actually read Mr. Stefanelli’s articles instead of just trolling. How stupid of me. Somehow I’ll manage pick up the pieces and go on with my life. Don’t you have better things to do? You’re a scientist, right? Oh wait, ‘goddidit’ just answered everything… easy money when you’re a creationist. Show up at work, troll atheist blogs, get paid… Maybe I should convert! Those teenagers from the local youth group knocking on my door really are smarter than me! And to think, all this time, I COULD HAVE BEEN TYPING IN ALL CAPS! YOU’VE CHANGED MY LIFE, HEDDLE! PRAISE JESUS! …

  31. Judith Castelo
    January 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    They want everyone to believe that a relatively unknown and usually confused Hebrew storm god created the Earth and the entire universe in all its majesty just for us little ol’ humans to use and abuse. That we descended not from a common ancestral ape, but from a dirt man who was “married” to a rib-woman that was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

    From Judith:

    First of all the Hebrews were God Chosen people. God has no ancestry. Are you stating that an Ape created the entire universe and all its majesty? I believe that after the big bang, all the energy that was trapped in the abyss took the forms we see today. Including man. It was the force of God not of an ape that began the universe.

    Genesis!

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the “Spirit of God” was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    • January 23, 2012 at 12:47 pm

      I missed the part where anyone claimed the god of the Hebrews had an ancestry or that apes had any part in creating the universe.

    • JJ7212
      January 30, 2012 at 12:17 am

      Judith, I can appreciate the fact that you’re not rude, but you have to understand that quoting scripture is the most annoying and unproductive thing you can do here.

      I’m gonna be brutally honest too… It’s obvious that you are not in the least bit scientifically literate. You’re comments aren’t even allowed at the table for discussion. It would be a complete waste of time to talk to you.

      However, in a nicer tone, if you are sincere in wanting to actually learn more about how the universe was created and why evolution is true, we would be more than happy to help you out. You can ask questions, but again, pushing your religion here is futile. Trust me, we know more about christianity than you do. It’s the only common thing that atheists lack a belief in (usually stemming from being scientifically literate, but not always) At least you ‘believe’ in the big bang. That should help… (sigh). Start with the big bang and learn the to ask the question ‘how’. Science is not a belief system. It’s about knowledge based on evidence, or just saying I don’t know because of no evidence. If you have intellectual integrity, you’ll find that inserting god into any science question is ridiculous and unnessecary. Science history clearly demonstrates how using god to fill in any knowledge gaps is the last thing you should do.

      Now, what’s you’re first legitimate question?

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