Is Rape Really That Bad? You Get Over It…

The line between Fundamental Christians and Fundamental Muslims is not only thin, but broken in many places.  The issue of rape and the support that both the bible and the koran give it is a topic that is rarely touched on, but it is one of the proverbial white elephants that should not be ignored.  A fellow Atheist blogger posted an entry on May 12th in response to a comment he received from a Christian reader. The reply was lengthily and full of the usual drivel that is so common from the deluded religious masses, but within the response was a diatribe about Atheists using rape as an excuse to justify abortion.  One of these comments was particularly disturbing.  And I quite:

“Atheists always use rape as an argument for justifying killing because they want to justify abortion. But is rape really that bad? It’s a horrible experience but you get over it with time… I think any woman would easily tell you that a painful divorce is worse than rape but it’s not an excuse to kill your baby, so why is rape?…

Christian women can also take a lot more than atheist women… Christian women can turn to Christ or worship God in their hearts and endure great suffering. I’m not belittling it but think about it, no amount of suffering from rape is as great as the suffering our Lord suffered on the cross for our sins”

The horrifying thing about these comments is that they are not uncommon within Fundamental Christianity.   This is just another example of the misogynistic world view that is held by these people.   I am willing to bet that the person who posted this comment would have a completely different point of view if he was gang-raped.

As I have written in a previous entry, misogyny is built in to Christianity, and I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any woman would want to be part of it.  The bible is rife with commands that women are to be be subservient to men.  I personally know several christian men that keep “their women” in check by citing passages such as “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church”. Their wives are mousy little waits who willingly give up their say in some very important aspects of their marriage, such as when to have sex, where they are allowed to go by themselves and even access to the family bank accounts.

But I digress…

Fundy Christians and Fundy Muslims seem to be extreme opposites, particularly when you are speaking to a member of each of these faiths.  But misogyny is not the only factor that makes them strange bedfellows.  They share not only misogynist similarities, but in areas including creationism, the lord’s prayer/sureh fatehah, consanguinity, moral code (ten commandments), practices, concepts and secularism.  Christians and Muslims share similar views on capital punishments on a wide range of topics, including homosexuality, adultery and apostasy, which both command a death sentence. In fact, the similarities of Sharia and Canon law are terrifyingly apparent when you look past the differences in other areas. Both Sharia and Canon Law obliges obedience in both social life and through politics.  While there are many Islamic nations, there are movements in the United States to turn abandon the democracy for a theocracy, transforming it to a law based on the Pentateuch.  Sarah Palin is one of these supporters who believe that the United States should be based on the Ten Commandments.

The rise of the Tea Party movement in the US is only one facet of the rising demand for a theocracy here.  In Birmingham, Alabama, Sarah Palin headlined at the first Tea Party Convention.  The convention ended up as more of a tent revival.  The first Tea Party Convention was held in Birmingham, which as about an hour from where I live in Alabama.  Anyone who attended this would have left without any doubt that the Tea Party movement is conservative and Christian and is looking to overthrow the secular US Government.  The Birmingham Examiner reported that “Jesus filled the halls. Most conference sessions began with prayers. The speaking roster was filled with a bevy of star-studded right-wing culture warriors”

There were other Conservative Christian speakers on the dais that day, including Pastor Rick Scarborough, who is the leader of “Vision America”, a group whose mission is to “inform, encourage and mobilize pastors and their congregations to be proactive in restoring Judeo-Christian values to the moral and civic framework in their communities, states, and our nation… …thousands of local, state and federal offices lack the influence of God-fearing, Bible-believing citizens” and Judge Roy Moore, the former Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court who was thrown out of office for violating an order by a Federal Judge to remove a plaque of the ten commandments from the courthouse.  Moore is now running for Alabama Governor and gave a sermon at the convention that included gay bashing.  The Examiner reported that it was “sad and discouraging is that many gathered at the convention applauded Moore’s hate speech”.  Judge Moore has advocated in favor of the death penalty for gays and lesbians.Sarah Palin stated that she believes one of Congress’s top priorities should be “asking for divine intervention from God.” and that she wants our elected representatives to “proclaim their alliance to our Creator.” A visitor to one of these events stated that a woman got a standing ovation at a breakout session for preaching, “All the media types are asking us why we’re here. Here’s what I say. We’re all here for a little R&R — revival and revolt. If you’re not a Christian, and a person of faith, you just can’t understand what we’re doing!!”

How different is all of this from the fiery speeches that are given by Muslim leaders?  How different is this from the Islamic drive to enforce Sharia law on the world?   Dominionism is dominionism, no matter it be Christian or Muslim, and with it come all the warts and festering sores that are part of religious law, including the misogyny that is written into it.  The United States is the only nation on the planet that has a completely secular constitution and it is because of this secular constitution the Supreme Court has made mandates to protect the rights of women and ensure that they have equal status under the law and rape is against the law here.

Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape.  There are hundreds of scripture to back this up and even the most talented theologian cannot get around it.  Just look here and here.  In fact, one scripture demands that if a man is caught raping a woman, he has to pay a small fine and then marry the woman.   What kind of a sadistic prick would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God…

When you are shocked about stories of Muslim woman being imprisoned for the crime of being raped, it should really come as no surprise that the above respondent’s comment about rape not really being “that bad”.  The view of women that is held by many Christian men is not that different from those held by their Islamic counterparts.

And people wonder why we Atheists are fighting so hard for the eradication of religion in our society.  This is yet another example of how religion poisons everything.


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  8 comments for “Is Rape Really That Bad? You Get Over It…

  1. May 19, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    A couple of typos you might correct, but other than that, little I could criticize.

    Face it, fundy Christianity and fundy Islam are opponents only in the way that the Blood and the Crips are opponents — very little difference but fighting over the same turf!

  2. Sandman
    May 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Hi Al!

    Been thinking about this very subject lately and came to the conclusion that the religious right wing bigots in the USofA have always needed an enemy. It used to be the slaves, then Mr Lincoln put a stop to that. So the hate mongers in pulpits just spent their Sundays spreading lies and filth about Black people, and made sure that segregation and rights abuses were the dish of the day.

    Fast forward to the 60s and that hate campaign becomes illegal (bit by bit…yep you live in Bama mate).

    So now the bigots need a new target… a new enemy. Bingo…lets pick on gay people. Cant hang the uppity niggers any more, so lets burn some fags!

    Face it bro.. when it comes to the religious right, Gay is the new Black.

    Christianity, Islam and Judaeism are all religions of hatred and presecution. They always need an enemy to stigmatise and victimise. Us and them = we are saved, they can rot. Thats how the machine works.

    And till you secularists wake up and start using the laws of your land to shut these scum up and make em poorer they will carry on with their constitutionally protected hate campaigns, and will carry on turning your Constitution into a piss stained rag.

    Venom over…. back to the sunshine.

    Have a great one bro!

  3. Lucy Lowe
    September 10, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Fabulous post. I wonder how much thought about keeping women in check and under lock and key went into the writing of the Bible and Koran. My guess: A lot.

    The Bible and the Koran seem to prove to me only two things. One, that there are some fab things that people have always kinda known, (The Sermon on the Mount) and two, bronze age people were brutal and vile, generally speaking.

    Thanks for the read.

  4. December 19, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    “But is rape really that bad? ” Wow! So my fractured skull, brain damage, loss of hearing, shattered pelvis, the surgery to my lacerated breast, 18 months learning to walk, same to learn to talk again and 26 major surgeries was not really that bad, just seemed worse because I did not believe in some misogynist sky fairy. Interesting.

    • December 20, 2010 at 2:54 am

      It’s truly amazing and at the same tine horrific what can be justified when you make the jump to hyperspace, i.e., religious belief. There is literally nothing that cannot be attributed to the will of a melogonaniac, misogynist deity.

  5. Mac
    January 19, 2011 at 5:08 am

    Rape, as usually meant, is sexual intercourse without the consent, especially over the objection, of the person so subjected. The rest of your injuries are not inherent to being raped. The beating and whatever else was done to you would have been a severe crime even if rape had not been committed or even intended. Sounds as if you were hit by a car.
    The belief that we are just animals, or merely conglomerations of atoms, removes all semblance of morality. What difference does anything make if we are nothing but “stardust?” Pain is the response of neurons that have been stimulated in certain ways.
    The “rape is not really so bad” attitude is one way of dealing with the offense against one’s dignity and of minimizing its effects on one’s sense of self-worth. Your injuries would not cause such emotional trauma if they had come from being inadvertently hit by a car as that they were inflicted by a fellow human being who had such little (like no) regard for your feelings.
    Being shot by a thug who I had interrupted while he and his accomplice were pistol-whipping a woman they were trying to rape left quite an impact on me. She escaped. I recall every detail, much like seeing a video of the incident.
    I don’t think it serves a woman well to encourage her to feel even worse than she already does, by telling her that “your life is ruined” or stuff like that. She needs to be loved in order to offset the hate she has experienced.
    Has this monster been apprehended?

  6. Mac
    January 19, 2011 at 5:09 am

    “Atheists [use] rape as an excuse to justify abortion.”
    Not all atheists favor abortion. It is not inherent in atheism for an atheist to be in favor of killing human beings at any stage of life. Atheists are part of human society, which has been overwhelmingly religious in some form as far back as we have any record, and incorporate concepts of their surrounding societies in varying degrees.

    Some atheists do things that some pagans do, and things that some Christians do. That does not mean that they are pagan any more than that they are Christian.

    Christians have been called “atheists” for disbelieving in gods of wood and stone.

  7. January 20, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    You don’t really think that fundies would actually think these things. It’s just… amazing to hear these people. If you offhandedly ask, they might say something crazy and you’d think, “Oh, that’s just a crazy thing to say.” And then they actually defend whatever irreprehensible thing they just said. Amazing…

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